On Wednesday’s episode of Fox News’ “The Five,” co-hosts Greg Gutfeld and Geraldo Rivera got into a heated argument over the issue of abortion.
As the panel began discussing the fallout of the leaked opinion draft that indicates the Supreme Court may be poised to overturn Roe v. Wade, which would return the issue of abortion back to the states, Rivera lamented the fact that his home state of Ohio may make it harder for his daughters to kill their unborn children.
“What am I going to tell my daughters now? That they don’t have control over their body? That they can’t make those choices for themselves?” the left-wing member of the panel asked.
The show then cut to a series of clips of media personalities freaking out over the early draft opinion, arguing that overturning Roe could somehow lead to everything from bans on same sex and interracial marriage to segregating LGBTQ children in schools.
“This is why pro-lifers win, because they can state their case so plainly,” Gutfeld said when the clips ended. “You ask somebody why they are pro-life, they will say because abortion takes a life and we believe life is sacred. You could disagree with that, but you can’t disagree with the simplicity of it, right? But the problem with the pro-choicers is they do not have the balls to state their case plainly. Like I prefer freedom over fetuses. Don’t sit here and come up with all these other things like it’s going to be interracial marriage next.”
“‘My body, my choice,’ how much simpler could you get?” Rivera claimed, despite the fact that it has already been shown that the argument he is making is not simple, as there are two bodies being discussed in the issue of abortion, not just the woman’s.
“Let me finish, you already did your ad hominem,” Gutfeld waved Rivera off. “You insulted a few people there.”
“We talked about this, people are more concerned about what they lose than what they will gain,” Gutfeld continued, going on to argue that the pro-abortion narrative was all about losing freedom and losing opportunities, and no one ever seemed to consider the gain that comes with bringing a new life into the world.
“The issue here is that people need to imagine, right? They can’t step back and see how pro-choice arguments are driven by refusal to imagine what that baby could be,” he added. “But then when that baby bees, then suddenly it changes, right? And they have to create reasons, they have to create all of these reasons to be pro-choice. Rather than just be honest and say, ‘Yeah, it kills an unborn kid, but I prefer my freedom.’ That’s all you gotta say. You’ll get so much more respect.”
“The other thing that drives me crazy, now that I’m on my soapbox, is it used to be even the pro-choicers would admit that abortion was an ugly thing,” Gutfeld continued. “But they felt it had to be a necessary evil, something that would be safe and rare. That was the argument you always heard. But now when you go anywhere on social media, it’s something to celebrate, to cherish, right?”
“To shout!” co-host Dana Perino interrupted to add, referring to the left’s new penchant to “shout” their abortions as if they were proud of them.
Of course, Rivera couldn’t respond to the actual argument being made, so instead he decided to bring up abortions using coat hangers in a desperate attempt to guilt his co-hosts — and the audience — into cowtowing to the left’s abortion narrative.
“That’s baloney. Cherish the wire hanger stuck up their privates, trying to get a — what?” Rivera interjected.
“Come on,” Perino pushed back.
“What, come on, that’s the world before Roe,” Rivera insisted.
“This is exactly what I expected. Bring out the old coat hanger —” Gutfeld replied.
“You are … arrogant …” Rivera turned on Gutfeld.
“Go for it, Geraldo, come on, keep going,” Gutfeld said.
“You know something, you insulting punk?” Rivera shot back, attempting to sound macho.
“Am I your new Bongino?” Gutfeld asked, referring to fellow Fox News host Dan Bongino, who often got into heated debates with Rivera.
Perino interrupted again, unfortunately ending the argument.